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From: Justin
| Posted: 7/20/2005 1:39:08 PM
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Head Lemming
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RE: After Hours Club Tim's back! YAY! ------------------------ You should see my OTHER car. Its a scooter. |
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From: Webmaster
| Posted: 7/20/2005 8:50:32 PM
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Need Life
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RE: After Hours Club BatGod, Maybe you could answer tech questions in general that are not specific to Batmobile only? 
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From: BATGOD
| Posted: 7/21/2005 4:05:12 AM
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Look familiar?
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RE: After Hours Club Hey Tim, Yep, you are absolutely correct. The main reason is simply that it's a big b*tch of a car. 
And that creates a number of different reasons for laying up the car in separate sections. One... Easier to change the angle of the mold to glass most everything on a flat surface. I use a dry chop gun for most of my work and hand laid chop strand mat and mesh for edges and complex curves. As you know... Dry chop hates vertical surfaces. I can spray 4 Keaton hoods with a gun in the time it takes to lay up one Keaton side because of those intakes and all of the complex angles. A wet gun is more efficient and great for a car like the 89, but a bitch to clean for one car at a time. Bob's "friends" used to spray 5 or 6 a day. Two... I can go down to the shop and make a single panel when I'm in the mood and walk away. Don't need any assistance taking a single mold out of the warehouse, tossing it on a workbench and glassing for a little while. This doesn't sound like much when your in Florida or Cali, But when the weather is 12 degrees outside. Heating a warehouse and maintaining 85 for the glass to cure properly for a 30 foot mold is a real nightmare. Piece of cake in the summer, but winter is another matter altogether. So I've got a 125,000 BTU warehouse propane jet that we use for a 20 foot by 8 foot by 8 foot glass room that we can maintain 140 degrees indefinitely. Even if it's TWO outside!!! Three... This goes along with two... Spraying 80 gallons of glass (my Keaton bodies were nothing if not THICK!)into the air in a single afternoon will draw quite a bit of attention from the EPA. Without a massive 80,000.00 paint booth set up around here. They'll take you down pretty quick. I started with a small shop bolting on parts near my home. The more I got involved with glass, the further towards Pennsylvania I was asked to move. Now I've got a damn 45 minute commute because no one wants to lease you a building once they discover your messing with glass. So I keep the building materials to a minimum around the shop. Lots of pictures, posters, props, mannequins and collectibles. 
When asked "What exactly do you do here?" "Mostly car stereos." "You don't paint cars do you?" "NOOOOOOO I don't PAINT cars here." "What's that little room over there?" "Closet." "You don't work on cars over there do you?" "Does it look like I could fit a car through that door?" "Have a nice day! Thanks for the tour. Nice props!" And no one knows that you didn't BUY that pile of Keaton car parts in the warehouse. They can't tell one car part from another. 
The two "Partridge Keatons" were created because I ran out of gelcoat. Couldn't get black tint so I remembered Jay's red Keaton car and ordered red. Glass supplier didn't have gallon cans of tint, so I bought red and blue. (Spiderman was just coming out and I thought the client would appreciate a two-tone Spiderman body. (Wife dropped the digital that weekend and I lost all the pics of "Bathenge" Two Keaton bodies resting on their tails with noses touching, towering into the air higher than my building. Very cool) Only the client has pics of the car with the spiderman gelcoat on it and he's not shared them with myself or anyone else. He shot that car black fast and THEN publicized pics. The second Partridge car (The one that shows up just about everywhere was a car I made for myself, just as a kick. We had enough glass, but almost no gelcoat at all. When I decided to make the car, we just used all of the tints we had, scraping the bottoms of each color. But there was no more clear gel, so we dumped the tint into the white gelcoat. Voila' ... Partridge Bat! Four... Easier to store parts flat when you're done with them as opposed to storing an entire body in a warehouse. We put all the parts together a few days before the completed car is either picked up or shipped. Five... Anybody who pisses me off in the shop spends an ENTIRE DAY in a hood and face mask, holding a whizzer wheel, a$$ deep in fibreglass "snow", cutting the flash from every damn part I can find in the warehouse until I'm not pissed at them anymore! The monkey who melted my favorite Snap On screwdriver set on top of the running compressor spent a week cutting parts! and Six... I get bored making the same thing over and over again, this way, I can work on the difficult parts of a job, and turn the simple sections of a car over to someone else. (Like the Ex-wife in the above pic) 
This way I can work on several different cars at once and not have a space issue with anything. Hope that answers your question.    
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?" He MAKES them you idiot! www.tunergirlz.com |
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From: Tim
| Posted: 7/21/2005 10:16:26 AM
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MIA
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RE: After Hours Club Thanks, Paul (or do you prefer BATGOD?) That explains a lot, even the "Partridge" car, which you can see a picture of hanging on my garage wall. If you're not already familiar with it, I think you would love vacuum infusion (NOT vacuum bagging.) You can spend all of the time in the world setting it up, come and go as you please until everything is perfect, just the way you want it and once you're ready you mix your resin and unclamp the tube(s). No mess, no fumes except those coming from the buckets and 10-15 minutes later it's completely wetted out. Of course that doesn't solve the storage problem. I attended a demonstration in Miami. This is a link to the pictures I took. Vacuum Infusion Demo This is my little plug building/mold making/fiberglass 101 project if you haven't already seen it. I've been around the fiberglass boat industry for years but always wanted to do a project of my own. This is an early photo, after I had just roughed out the basic shape... 
This is a little later... 
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From: Webmaster
| Posted: 7/22/2005 3:38:56 AM
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Need Life
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RE: Club CLTC I can see why new people always have trouble with the site. None of the thread ever stay on topic 
Who'd have thought we'd get so much technical stuff discussion in the After Hours Club. |
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From: BATGOD
| Posted: 7/22/2005 6:25:28 AM
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Look familiar?
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RE: Club CLTC Thanks, Paul (or do you prefer BATGOD?) Hey Tim, "Paul" works for me. I asked DH to put the BG title up there because it was a quick way to get a "feel" for the boardmembers. Been reading this board since DH started it (Tossed him info for an annonymous post here and there)and have kept an interest in it for some time. I'm really happy with how far he's come in such a short time. Ran into a little legal trouble about ten years ago (De-authenticated a "real" car. "Hey! It WAS fake, what was I supposed to do?") and was banned from using the "B" word in connection with my name on the internet or "Any Public Forum" as the paperwork stated. But now that I'm retired from the biz. I'm not using what I know to promote my business. (Not like I ever did anyway. I went out of my way to discourage people from buying a car from me. That kept me out of trouble when others went running for the hills.) So I can pretty much talk about whatever I want. Won't talk about other manufacturers, won't talk about all the guys who worked on the film that took home car bodies for themselves. (One guy has even drywalled the 89 into his shop (I have some cool pics of that in this box!) And out of respect for clients and other builders, I will NEVER authenticate or de-authenticate any car or photo of a car that crosses my path. As far as the general public is concerned. "They're all REAL cars!" Were they "screen-used"? Don't have a clue... Were you there? How do you KNOW it wasn't there. I was there a few times... can't remember myself actually... might have been screen-used! But I can tell you who built it! 
So the night I "packed it in" as it were, I contacted DH and asked him to set me up on the board. Asked him for the BG ID, because I figured that the first time I posted something and got the "Who the F#CK do you think YOU are???!!!" reply. Well, that would be the last time I posted. I'd take my pics and my info and stuff it back in the closet. Doesn't matter to ME. I'm just having fun looking at all the "goings on" here on the board and checking out everyone's progress on their assorted projects. "In progress" pics are infinitely more interesting than pics of finished cars. Gives you a look into the builder's brain and thought process. Everyone here's been great these past two weeks! So I'm hanging out and talking with everybody. Won't do tech, because, you know what Bob told me the first time I asked him a tech question??? "F#CK YOU!!! Go figure it out yourself! You shouldn't be trying to build these things on your own if you can't figure out how to solve a few problems here and there! If you don't remember, you didn't pay enough attention to your buddy Jay and it's your own fault. STOP F#CKING THE GIRLS IN MALIBU AND GO FIGURE IT OUT!!!" I swear to God, that's exactly what he said. 
Man I miss him... 
After a few transports,sales reps for him and lunches at the Sequan Indian Reservation, he loosened up and gave me some sketches and diagrams and a handfull of really good intel. But the "Go figure it out!" comment still stuck with me and out of personal interest for the things I DID have to figure out myself. I know how to make the canopy pop open and track forward without motors or springs. I know what those holes are used for on the sides of the roof. I keep that kind of info pretty secret. I DID eventually write a manual. But to keep it out of EVERYONE'S hands, I only give out the first chapter to a customer and when their project has reached that level of completion, they get another chapter and so on. But if the "PROPERTY OF THE WAYNE FOUNDATION" manual ever hits the streets, I'll cut all of them off from the rest of their info. So they've all been great about not copying it. 
As for the Vaccum Infusion... Yep... know about it. LOVE IT!!! The guy who started Code One with me is now the fueler for Thomas Enge's Indy car and lives in Indy. He's been working on Indy cars for the last ten years. I spend a lot of time at Panther Pennzoil racing and learned some great tricks for carbon fibre and kevlar sandwich construction. EVERY part is vaccum infused from the bodies to parts the size of a quarter. It's really cool, but working with it is really more about being prepared to do the same item or type of item over and over. I hate that. I like carving stuff and throwing foam all over the place like snow. So hand-laid gelcoat over a foam and duct tape buck to make a mold is my favorite thing. I like making prototypes and "figuring it out!" Hand-laid glass works best for that. 
But I really want to thank you for the info. Oh... and YES, my Partridge Bat pic on your wall was the second thing I noticed in your pic. I'm glad it was of help. I love the car!  Keep up the good work and share pics with us as often as you can.
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From: Tim
| Posted: 7/22/2005 7:22:14 AM
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MIA
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RE: Club CLTC "Who the F#CK do you think YOU are???!!!" If you've been reading this since DH started it then you know you won't get that here. For the most part we're pretty laid back and just like to shoot the shit, and we NEVER stay on topic. I like it that way. "...my Partridge Bat pic on your wall was the second thing I noticed in your pic." Okay, so what was the first thing? The blue is gone forever... 
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From: Webmaster
| Posted: 7/22/2005 4:00:41 PM
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Need Life
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RE: Club CLTC Hey I can totally understand the 'F*** off' comment I've been guilty of those advices to other people myself. Though I word it differently. Mine usually goes someting like '..yeah you could do it that way but I'm not sure. I remember reading it or seeing it at .....com. You should check that out...' Anyway, nice to see you posting more and more pics. I'm sure Jack is real happy. Anyway, you mind putting your 2 cents on following old topics that never really got resolved or it was too early in the game and not that many people were around Some are technical which I assume u can tell'em to f'off
http://www.chickslovethecar.com/replies.asp?page=24&splash=T&strID=41&txtSearch= http://www.chickslovethecar.com/replies.asp?page=24&splash=T&strID=58&txtSearch= http://www.chickslovethecar.com/replies.asp?page=23&splash=T&strID=83&txtSearch= http://www.chickslovethecar.com/replies.asp?page=21&splash=T&strID=144&txtSearch= http://www.chickslovethecar.com/replies.asp?page=5&splash=T&strID=68&txtSearch= |
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From: Justin
| Posted: 7/22/2005 4:04:51 PM
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Head Lemming
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RE: Club CLTC I miss the blue. :( ------------------------ You should see my OTHER car. Its a scooter. |
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From: Webmaster
| Posted: 7/22/2005 4:09:33 PM
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Need Life
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RE: Club CLTC We should make the blue one otherwise Tim might go MIA on us again. So can you do it Justin? Since you did the original blue icon? We can just keep both'em around. Poor folks who visit the site but not the forum will never know what kind of batmobiles blue and white ones are. |
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From: Kevin
| Posted: 7/22/2005 10:54:40 PM
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RE: Club CLTC Hi everyone what's new? 
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From: Jack
| Posted: 7/22/2005 11:46:51 PM
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Gothic Avenger
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RE: Club CLTC BATGOD, "Who the F#CK do you think YOU are???!!!" and how do you get those hot chicks to do all of your work for you?
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From: Nitro
| Posted: 7/23/2005 12:02:47 AM
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BBC G A WANNABE
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RE: Club CLTC Forgive him Bat God Jack has a potty mouth.
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From: Jack
| Posted: 7/23/2005 1:13:13 AM
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Gothic Avenger
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RE: Club CLTC I mean come on if I had 5 or 6 hot chicks working on the GA I would have been done by now. Wait, who am I kidding I would have had a heart attack and died a long time ago.  BATGOD more pictures...please....
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From: Webmaster
| Posted: 7/23/2005 2:13:40 AM
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Need Life
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RE: Club CLTC Hi everyone what's new? It's scorching hot outside!!!! I can't sleep, read or work. 
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From: Justin
| Posted: 7/23/2005 4:58:44 AM
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Head Lemming
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RE: Club CLTC Here ya go DH! As per usual, remove the white background so it looks normal in the icon tray. 
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From: Justin
| Posted: 7/23/2005 4:59:23 AM
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Head Lemming
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RE: Club CLTC
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From: Justin
| Posted: 7/23/2005 5:11:59 AM
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Head Lemming
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RE: Club CLTC Holy crap. That last post was the 666'th post... I needed to post one more to bump the post count. So at the Bad Religion concert I went to three or four weeks ago, I broke my hand in the pit. At the Circle Jerks concert I went to last night, I got jumped by 4 guys who were actually looking for my younger brother. I have a mean black eye, but you should see at least one of the other guys! lol. He broke his hand on my face, which I feel rather good about. Best part is, we didn't get kicked out of the concert. I love punk rock shows. ------------------------ You should see my OTHER car. Its a scooter. |
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From: timb
| Posted: 7/25/2005 5:04:40 PM
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RE: Club CLTC To paul or batgod.would you email me this is Timb the guy who built the opel 89 replica,I would like to speak with you.timbproductions@sbcglobal.net thank you |
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From: Webmaster
| Posted: 7/25/2005 6:22:35 PM
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Need Life
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RE: Club CLTC Pretty cool photo 
This was a personal project, I found this great Batmobile by Hot Wheels and put it on the street in front of the studio. The car was shot on black plex in the studio and the street shot after dark. Match lighting was critical, I wanted it to flawlessly blend with its surroundings. from here: http://www.harbenpictures.com/pages/photo%20illustration.html |
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From: Webmaster
| Posted: 7/26/2005 3:48:21 PM
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From: BATGOD
| Posted: 7/27/2005 3:52:20 AM
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RE: Club CLTC Nice pic DH! Tim... The "second" thing I noticed was my pic in the background. The first being the car and the third that you were using foamboard. (Probably the fourth being that you shop was so damn clean. Don't know how you manage that one.) We call our glass room "La Playa del Fibreglass". Jack... "how do you get those hot chicks to do all of your work for you?" It was the Fast and the Furious, man. After that movie, girls flocked to the shop to see the cars... without their boyfriends!!!! Hey, it's my money right? If I need people to work in the shop and I need to train them to do it my way anyway, all I'm really looking for is talent and ambition, skills really don't mean crap. So, if someone's gonna f#ck up in the shop, they might as well look cute doing it. Seems logical to me. Before too long, I had an army of TunerChicks in the shop and MTV caught up with one of them at a car show showing off one of my cars, 
If you don't recognize her from the earlier post (above) here's another pic of her while still staying on "bat" topic. (See? Bet you didn't think I could do it.)
So they came to me about having her host a show called Tuners and we went for it. I wanted a bit more creative freedom and "TunerGirlz" was born. 
Of course this meant that I had to start letting them dress like girls again. Usually they dress just as scrubby as we all do when we're working 
But sometimes.... They still find a way to let you know they're girls. 
"Heart attack" Jack? You can't imagine what they get into. That's what makes the show so great. One of the 17 year old kids on the crew blushed so bad last Thursday that he started choking. DH... I'm reading over your requests Not sure what you're asking me for in "Why can't you...?" Number one reason is this... You're taking money out of WB's pocket. Average price per weekend appearance for an 89 is 8K plus expenses. You guys are not gonna spend 8 to 10 bucks at your local auto show to see the car if you can see one for free at a "Cruise night" or in downtown Carmel. Reason two... If you drive your Honda Accord or Neon into a schoolbus, you'll make page 13 of your local paper in the police log. If you drive your 89 and do the same, you'll make the front page of every paper and TV newscast in America, and it'll say "BATMAN KILLS 20 SCHOOL CHILDREN!" WB doesn't need that kind of bad publicity, they already have Joel Schumacher. "Who's Who...?" "Anton Furst is the designer I guess. And Jay Ohberg(?) is the one who had contract with WB to produce cars for Universal studios but lost later. Then who's Mark Towles, Bob Butts and etc...? " Actually... Barbara Ling is the designer. Anton was charged with the overall look and feel of the entire film, lighting, set decoration, props... everything. Individual details were left up to people like Barbara to pitch to Anton, then to Tim. Jay? Covered that in a million posts. Very talented designer/builder, started in hot rods and jet cars back in the day. Used to work with George and the other "legends" of the 50's, customizers. 
(YES, that is a 66 rollover bar template above my head) He worked on more TV cars than anyone in the biz. 
(OK, so all the photos in my office aren't exactly an original idea. As you can see, I even copied his style of picture frame) When I was growing up. Jay was my hero. He made everything and created all kinds of out of this world cars. I was too young to be awestruck by George, the stuff he made seemed kinda "strange" to me and too 50's. Jay made cars with 5 engines, swimming pools, helicopters on the back, whatever. I thought that was cool. 
And YES, Jay got the job for the first two Batman films and blew the third one by selling more cars out the back door without WB approval. They DID grab/destroy a bunch of his cars and never gave them back. But again, he made more cars then even they knew about. Jay is responsible for the existance of all of the 89's in private hands. ALL of your cars trace their creation back to Jay's molds. Even the "original" cars that go up for sale at auction by WB were created in some way by him personally. He provides Bob Butts (the KING of 66 replicas without question! He's built 90% of the 66's out there.)with an 89 car (previously discussed)and Bob's people pull molds off of it and now you've got even more cars. I used his molds to make a car, then pulled a mold off my car and guess what? More cars. Robert gets Bob's molds and now we have 89's on the planet like fkn Tribbles. (Sorry, little ST geekness leaks out) Jay looses the gig to Charlie Zurian and Kevin Pike over at TFX www.transfx.com (The amusing thing to me there is that they're resume' BEGINS with Batman Forever! Not bad huh? You carve up some stuff and get your first job and BAMM!!! it's Batman?. Weird. But super-talented guys non the less. 
Like this shot? I took it with them in mind. 
They get the gig for both films. In a final FU to WB. Jay gets his hands on the original Kilmer car and guess what? Splashes molds off that one too. A set of 89 molds and a set of 95 molds are shipped to Australia when all the sh$t hits the fan. This is why you can get "original" 95's easier in Australia than you can in the states. Now... Rods and Racers, Ted Walters... He's a chassis builder and racer that gets the gig adding chassis to and maintaining all the stunt cars that will be used in the SF shows. Jay ponies up all the 89 bodies and the rollers that get parked all around the country out in front of the rides. Ted's shop is located a few miles from our SF here in Jackson, NJ. Ted also gets the gig for the Begin's stunt show and the stunt Tumblers used in the film. Those are the major players in the game who've come forward to claim responsibility for the cars. There are quite a few more very skilled people who were involved in the design and construction of the 89, but as they themselves have not elected to come forward. We must respect their privacy and not provide them with a ton of stalkers. The rest of us are the "little fish". Guys who were doing other jobs and just had a like for the car ourselves. Most of what we've done is just so we could get our hands on a car ourselves. But money is money and when someone comes to you with 20K cash in hand... it's hard to say "No Thanks! I've got enough." A lot of us are either posting or lurking, you can ask each person for "their story". OK DH... That's a lot for tonight, I'll read the rest tomorrow night and comment. Nitro... "Forgive him Bat God Jack has a potty mouth." Oh yeah, I know that, I've talked to him on the phone. But he knows that so am I and that I'm a whore when it comes to girly-girls, so I HAVE to forgive him. Timb... Nice car! That you? 
You've emailed me a few times looking for an 89 and I gave you "The Speech". What's up? Not much more I can tell you unless I see a PayPal from you or you show up at the shop with 200 Benjamins. Which isn't likely, because I get a PayPal before I even disclose the location of the shop. Email me again if you've got something to say. But again... Nice car! That's about it. Have to read more posts now. TTYL
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From: Justin
| Posted: 7/27/2005 5:17:08 AM
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Head Lemming
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RE: Club CLTC Paul, that is not Tim B.'s replica. Check out this page: http://www.thebatcave8k.com/tim_replica_pics.htm He has a super cool scratch built car, but he rarely posts anything here. Every now and then he pops up, when the conversation baits him enough. And usually it is only brief, one line responses. Don't know too much more about the guy. He e-mailed me once about sending me more info, but he never did. I sent him a bunch of e-mails but just gave up on getting the details out of him. Heyyyyyyyyyyyy... I recognize that hood up there! It is sitting on my patio, waiting for the rest of its family to arrive. ;) Thanks for all the pics, Paul! Last Edited by Justin: 7/27/2005 5:18:14 AM ------------------------ I made these icons: 
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From: Tim
| Posted: 7/27/2005 8:50:32 AM
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RE: Club CLTC I didn't do it. Last Edited by Tim: 7/28/2005 1:45:11 AM |
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From: Justin
| Posted: 7/27/2005 1:56:57 PM
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RE: Club CLTC Hey DH, can you add some sort of embedded sound file in the background of Club CLTC? Maybe something by Danny Elfman.... ------------------------ I made these icons:
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