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  Q for the car/kit makers
 From: 2wylde | Posted: 11/18/2005 5:11:27 PM |

Posts: 377 		Q for the car/kit makers
I know I already got slammed for comparing 89 kits to Knight Rider kits, but I was thinking about this the other day. This is directed toward Mark, Batgod and others who sell stuff:

Would it be possible to split the body up into more pieces and sell them individually? I was thinking about this after someone posted about wanting to buy just gun doors. And I'm always thinking of things from a profit standpoint... If the body makers sold say - the canopy, the front hood or the little pieces on the front bumper separately, more people would be able to buy something right away. Start acquiring their 89 kit basically. This would make parts available to more people becasue it's easier to spend 1000$ at a time than 15,000. As a seller you'd think there would be more profit in selling more pieces than selling a body here or a body there. Who knows if any of the buyers would ever get a whole car done, but as a seller, you wouldn;t care.

I have no idea if you could even do this as, from what I understand, most of the kits are pulled from 1 piece molds. You'd have to start from scrath and build up a car and make multiple molds. Anyway, just curious what the seller/builders have to say about this...



 From: Kevin | Posted: 11/18/2005 6:06:04 PM |
"Not"

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To begin with it isn’t cost effective to set up just to pull a few pieces at a time. The body alone is the biggest piece and needs to be pulled in one piece. Yes the molds are in several pieces but you cannot mold each piece separately and then reattach them at a later time and expect the seams to hold together.

Just like anything else to piece meal the car would cost you in the long run twice as much as it would just to drop the 15 grand for a kit. You are still going to have the dash, seats, wiring harness, steering column, fuel cell, cooling system, floorboards and firewall, gauges, wheels and tires and so on. You can piece these out all you want. If you can afford to part out the car, than you can certainly drop 15grand for a kit. Even if you do all the work yourself paint and body, frame work, electrical wiring, sheet metal fabrication. You are going to run up a parts bill including the kit at least 35 grand easily.

I am just being realistic, If you cant afford to at least put in the initial 15 grand then you will most likely not have enough resources to complete the car.



 From: Jack | Posted: 11/18/2005 6:27:55 PM |
Jack is happy!

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The kit comes with the hood, the main body, the trunk lid, the canopy, 2 gun doors, 2 side mechanics, 2 side mechanics disc, 2 front bumperetts, 2 side doors, 4 hub covers and 4 wheel emblems.

Not too sure how buying the small pieces would be of any use what so ever. Also I’m sure that the guys selling the kits know if they sell say a gun door that the buyer could easily copy it and sell them as shelves on Ebay for $200 a pop.

If you truly want a kit then I would say get a loan. Interest rates for a 2nd mortgage are pretty low. But like Kevin said the initial cost is just the beginning. I’m not trying to bum you out or say its impossible because if anyone believes in dreams its me. Also, shop around kits can be had for cheaper. Some times you get what you pay for but if it’s all you can afford then so be it. Oh, and don’t forget about Bill’s or Timb’s custom creations.

Anyway best of luck.



 From: Justin | Posted: 11/18/2005 6:58:47 PM |
"Tumbler"

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Well wait a minute, I think he does have a point though. After all - what he pointed out was: "As a seller, who cares if they finish or not?" Or something along those lines. From a profit point of view, it might work. With so many little pieces, who cares why people would buy them? But I bet they would. At least SOME people out there might want these parts for "wall art" or something. Hell, I have half a '66 sitting in my shop right now for no apparent reason. I might be picking up an '89 canopy for a favor I am doing for a friend soon. Do I have use for an '89 canopy at this point? Of course not. But it will be a great conversation piece! Hell, maybe I will use it for a coffee table or something...

The newest kit builder / manufacturer (YES Mark and Kory, he IS a builder. He has built more '89's than anybody I know. Not meaning to sound rude, but I know the etymology would be questioned...) is molding his car in multiple parts. One front hood piece, one back piece, trunk, canopy, bumperettes, gun doors, side mechanics, etc. It is not unnatural at all, since the body is meant to be in two major pieces to begin with! AND it has the flaring already molded in. The question is not whether it is economically feasible for someone to build a car one piece at a time. But if someone could spend a grand or two at a time over five years to get their car, then great! If I had started doing that when I was 18 I would have my car already. Sure I would have spent more, but if you take out a loan you pay a great deal of interest for the convenience of paying over time. It is essentially the same thing. And if you roll the cost of a car body into a 30 year fixed mortgage payment, you are paying interest on a $15k purchase over a LONG period of time. Work out the numbers - you pay a LOT! You spend years paying off the interest on your Batmobile WAY before you ever start working off the principal on the home. I was told once NEVER to roll the cost of an automobile, that you should typically pay off in 3-6 years, into a mortgage. Of course, that is only one person's philosophy.

At any rate - personally I would rather just build my own body. Tim B. has inspired me more than any other person just seeing his awesome piece of work. Some stuff to think about.

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 From: Tim | Posted: 11/18/2005 7:07:02 PM |
getting bored

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I would rather sculpt my own body too.


 From: Jack | Posted: 11/18/2005 7:11:27 PM |
Jack is happy!

Posts: 1947 		RE: Q for the car/kit makers
I would rather you finish one of the hundred other projects you have..... (and then sculpt your own body)...


 From: Tim | Posted: 11/18/2005 7:22:22 PM |
getting bored

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Don't worry, I have no plans to start a full size '89.


 From: youngbat | Posted: 11/19/2005 1:25:12 AM |

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You should Tim. You are on the right road with the slicing and dicing thing.

I would argue that not being focused is the ONLY mistake you can make scratch building.


 From: Kory | Posted: 11/19/2005 12:07:45 PM |
Shut up!!!

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It is not how many you build .....It is the style how you build them.
Trust me Mark will take this car to a whole new level...As he has with the 60's car



(Thanks for your support)

Last Edited by Kory: 11/19/2005 12:08:27 PM
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

 From: DonC | Posted: 11/19/2005 2:52:29 PM |

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Riiiiiiight kory:)
somehow me thinks we'll see the same old exsisting car chassis of whatever make stretched and a build up from there just like everybody else.
The true next level for an 89 is a custom made tube frame...ie art morrison..four link, rack and pinion, all new metal floorpans, laminated safety glass windshields with working wipers...etc etc


Hey Justin what the hell does etymology mean anyways?
How'd you get to be so smart at 22 anyways?...
I'll send you pics of my 89 couch...


 From: MARK TOWLE | Posted: 11/19/2005 3:07:52 PM |
LOOSER

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HEY JUSTIN SLOW YOUR ROLL ....I THOUGHT WE WERE PAST THAT IF NOT LET ME KNOW...SO YOU KNOW "CHUBS".IN KENTUCKY HAS BUILT THE MOST 89S...HE UNDER CONTRACT WITH WB DID SOMEWHERE IN THE NECK OF THE WOODS OF 20 CARS ....TO ANSWER THE QUESTION POSSED TO" BUILDERS"(NOT WANNABY'S) THE REASON ITS NOT SOLD IN PARTS IS NOT WORTH THE TIME FOR THE MONEY ..AND WHAT YOU WOULD END UP WITH WOULD BE A DELAPITATED PILE OF CRAP ASK DON HE KNOWS ALL TO WELL YOUR NAME STICKS WITH WHAT EVER YOU SELL OR DO...BTW DON KORY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE BUILD AND THE FAB OF PARTS AND GETTING IT AS CLOSE TO THE ORIGNAL CAR ....LIKE THE DIFFERANCE BETWEEN YOUR 66 AND MY 66 BODY ACCURATE INTERIOR ACCURATE DRIVEABLITY THINGS LIKE THAT


 From: Jack | Posted: 11/19/2005 3:29:31 PM |
Happy Jack

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You guys can all kiss my A$$!!!! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!! Non and and I repeat NON of you have ever proved that you have ever built an 89. NON OF YOU. So SHUT UP, Prove it, or just leave. The only "proven" finished car is still the Carmel car and that builder isn't running off at the mouth like all of you. So until you can "Prove" you "Build" an 89 I'm going to edit all of your post and delete any mention to you being a "builder".


 From: KeatonCar | Posted: 11/19/2005 3:34:42 PM |
Paul R.

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This thread is starting to get ugly. However I have yet to see anyone on this board with a completed 89 project, so on that point I agree with Jack.

A little song, a little dance..... Batman's head on a lance.

 From: Mr.Wright | Posted: 11/19/2005 3:36:41 PM |
I am Wright!

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Can't we all just get along?

Last Edited by Mr.Wright: 11/19/2005 3:36:59 PM

 From: Jack | Posted: 11/19/2005 3:43:21 PM |
Happy Jack

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No we can't get along because there is always a war between the so-called builders.

JUST TO MAKE THIS CLEAR THERE ARE NO BUILDERS ON CLTC. THERE ARE HOWEVER A BUNCH OF GUYS TRYING TO BUILD CARS AND A BUNCH OF OTHER WHO CALL THEMSELVES BUILDERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THEY HAVE NEVER FINISHED AN 89. THERE ARE NO QUALITY KITS OR TURN-KEY CARS BEING MADE, OFFERED, OR AVAILABLE BY ANYONE ON CLTC.




 From: Jack | Posted: 11/19/2005 3:54:52 PM |
Happy Jack

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Mark, who is Chubs and whats that story? I thought that Orhburg built all the replicas for the meseums and theme parks.


 From: DonC | Posted: 11/19/2005 3:58:52 PM |

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WOW JACK.....YOUR PUTTIN' YOUR FOOT DOWN....NO MORE BS!!!
DON'T BLAME YA...LIKE WHERE ARE THOSE SIDE MECHANIX PICS ?
I FOR ONE HAVE NEVER BUILT AN 89 TURNKEY BUT IF I DID YA IT'D BE ON A TUBE FRAME...THAT IS THE NEXT LEVEL...TELL ME YOUR NOT PUTTIN' YOUR 89 ON A 'USED' CHASSIS MARK AND CALLING IT THE NEXT LEVEL ARE YA?? AHH WELL MAYBE THAT'S JUST KID KORY TALKIN AIR...
IN REALITY MARK YOUR LUCKY I DIDN'T COPY A 66BOB BUTTS KIT IN WHOLE...CAUSE YOU KNOW THE QUALITY I PUT IN MY CARS ALREADY I GO OVER THE TOP WITH ALL MY BUILDS..I'D BE MILES AHEAD OF YA IF I CHOSE TO GO THE #1 INTERIOR ROUTE...
MY 66 BUILDS ACTUALLY FUNCTION OUTSIDE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ....YA THEY RUN AND DRIVE AND WHEN IT RAINS OR WHEN YOU WASH YOUR CAR...WATER GOES DRAINS DOWN THE DRIP RAILS THROUGH TUBES THROUGH THE DOUBLE WALLED TRUNK FLOOR TO THE GROUND ...NOT INTO THE TRUNK!...IT'S ALL IN THE DETAILS:)


 From: Kory | Posted: 11/19/2005 4:02:11 PM |
Shut up!!!

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There has been other contracted by WB.

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

 From: Jack | Posted: 11/19/2005 4:12:27 PM |
PUT UP/SHUT UP

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Hey DonC,

Just to clear up what I said. I'm not targeting Mark, not at all. I'm saying it to all of those out there who say they sell or build 89s. There are no builders. Like me working on my project, Kevin on his, Nitro on his, etc.... Building 1 car for yourself and taking 4 years to do it does NOT make us "Builders".

Like you DonC, I would say you are a "Builder" of 66 cars. Mark a "Builder" of 66 cars and Mach 5s. But again there are NO 89 "Builders". As far as Kory goes well he's Mark's friend and employee it's his job to Mark look and sound good and sell his cars. That I get and understand.

But, I’m going to delete the contact info and ask people to PM Kory or Mark for there info. CLTC does NOT work for Mark so no more free advertisement. Part of the new “Put up or Shut up” policy.

Other "Builder", Batgod retired. There is some guy named Eric who Lurks on CLTC but has never posted or shared any info so he's "NOT and 89 "builder". Hines honestly states he doesn't have molds.

So who are the 89 "Builder" NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



 From: Kory | Posted: 11/19/2005 4:43:04 PM |
Shut up!!!

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How is Paul Sher a builder?? If it takes more then one 89 to be a builder....(Which I don't believe he has ever finished one....He has however I think hauled some bodies.(Doesn't make him a builder....Maybe a hauler)

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE

 From: Jack | Posted: 11/19/2005 4:48:44 PM |
PUT UP/SHUT UP

Posts: 1947 		RE: Q for the car/kit makers
See that's why you need to pay attention. I said there are NO 89 BUILDERS. 1 more time there are NO 89 BUILDERS.

So are you going to contribute to CLTC and share your info about the replicas?


 From: Justin | Posted: 11/19/2005 4:59:42 PM |
"Tumbler"

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See Mark? THAT is what I was referencing when I mentioned the etymology of the words. I said builder because I know **** ******* has built several cars. He is not on CLTC, nor does he toot his own horn. The only reason I mention him is because I've seen his work and I like it, even though Dan's car is taking a little long to finish.... Regardless, my comment was not originally intended as a jab at you. HOWEVER, I know both you and Kory like to jump at any opportunity to best what other people have to say, including me. For instance - I commented on how this guy here in Cali has built more turnkeys than anybody I know - you jump in and try to present new information and claiming I am either lying or ignorant (or a "wannabe" builder for some reason...). Whatever, I don't need validation. If I am wrong and you show me I am wrong, no big deal. But at this point, it takes alot more than your word or Kory's to change my mind (still waiting for proof about the original never having left England).

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 From: youngbat | Posted: 11/19/2005 5:25:18 PM |

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I actually have a kit car magazine from about 91' or so. In the article they show the 89' being unloaded right off the dock from the U.K. You can see in the pics that they were on some sort of dock/shipyard area. Unfortunately the guy who wrote the article was making light of the whole thing by using a "holy this" and "holy that" in every other sentence. But I'll see if I can dig it up. So I would have to say that based on this, that an original did come over from the U.K. Does anyone know what happened to John Evans? Is he still around?


 From: Justin | Posted: 11/19/2005 5:30:07 PM |
"Tumbler"

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Oh yeah, we know it was there. The original statement was - "The original never left England", implying that it was never in the US. Or am I remembering that wrong? Its been awhile.

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 From: Jimmy | Posted: 11/19/2005 5:33:40 PM |
I'm an assh@le

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He seems to still be working. He is listed as most recently working on the 2005 movie, Doom.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0262906/

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